HEAVY COVER GILLIN !!!

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Comment by Leo Nguyen on June 18, 2013 at 7:44pm

Only method is copy and paste like crazy. There's no direct quoting from one group to another I'm afraid.

Comment by David, aka, "McScruff" on June 18, 2013 at 7:07pm

Love ya,.Leo. You're like the big brother of tubing.
You know, we should copy this conversation over to the float tube group. Do you think that is something you could figure out?

Comment by Leo Nguyen on June 18, 2013 at 7:02pm

Boston valve type is replaceable. However, you will notice that you won't need to use it nearly 90% of the time, unless the sun is literally cooking you alive. Otherwise, inflate the bladders 90% capacity, and you're golden for the rest of the day most of the season. 85% is the golden (no need to worry) threshold. If you want to fill it 95% of capacity during cold days, you're golden for the cooler season.

Remember, a little play in the bladder and body will save you woes when fighting the high temp and pointy things. But make sure to always be vigilant of the hidden treasures of doom.

Comment by David, aka, "McScruff" on June 18, 2013 at 6:55pm

I do worry about the pointy's, Leo.

I like to get int the thick of stuff, and I dont want to worry about it.

ODC it is. I believe I read you can replace the valves with the self-regulating Boston type. That is the ONE feature of the Cumberland I am keen on.

Is that correct?

Comment by Leo Nguyen on June 18, 2013 at 6:40pm

1100 denier is extremely thick compared to the 500 and 600 on the Fish Cat, or the 420 on the newer ODC 420. However, Cumberland is a 1 layered 1100 bottom (1/3 part of the body's bottom piece), while ODC has a overlay double-420 denier layer at the bottom, giving in a partial dual protection all the way to the upper half of the tube's body, where the critical abrasion points are. If I have to vote between the two, I go for ODC 420 if you worry about the pointy treasures.

Comment by David, aka, "McScruff" on June 18, 2013 at 6:32pm

So which is better for protection from the pointy treasures?

The Cumberland has 1100 denier on the bottom... does that matter?

Comment by Leo Nguyen on June 18, 2013 at 6:30pm

LOL!! Well, if you're sticking with the ODC 420, you are selecting a great choice as a starting tube. Plenty of modding capacity for the ODC 420 for the open water. Remember, open water is the key phrase. It will not provide you the protection you need for hidden pointy treasures below ;-)

Just make sure to note that purchasing a tube will also forces you to get a nice pair of fins. Plenty of speculation which is the best pair, for which season (or all seasons). Another headache to go through.

Just make sure not become a human donut filling for the apex predators my friend.

Comment by David, aka, "McScruff" on June 18, 2013 at 6:25pm

Darnit Leo, there you go again! As if it wasnt already hard enough to choose.

Im still thinking the ODC, for a first tube. If I like it, I can look to something different next year.

I would love to test them all, but I know of NO ONE in this area that is really big into it. A few guys maybe, but I don't know a soul. So Im winging it and adapting.

Comment by Leo Nguyen on June 18, 2013 at 6:21pm

LOL Life is full of hard choices. I believe Jeff Soto has a bit of comfort issues with this Fish Cat 4. However, as you probably read through the Float Tube Forum, there are several gone before him utilizing inflatable seat bladder from Creek Company, creating an ultimate comfort, for $25. I have a few old bladders myself that are spared from the Caddis Nevada, which fit well in the seat block of the Fish Cat. I tried it out earlier, which indeed proven to be very comfortable. Although, I like the stiffness of the foam block that the Fish Cat came with, allowing me really stay out of the water feeling. Probably just a false sense of stability above the water. With the extra bladder, the buoyancy level would increase another 35lbs. So, the true threshold of the Fish Cat now becomes about 310, rather than the 250lbs recommended (280max, and 300lbs field tested).

Comment by David, aka, "McScruff" on June 18, 2013 at 6:10pm

Thank you Leo. You have made it even harder to choose! LOL

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