A Silent Stinger Frisbee.......

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Comment by Allen Morgan on October 20, 2013 at 3:16pm

I really am intrigued by the one comment, paraphrased, of what separates a jig from a fly?  Many fly-tyers will tie nymphs with a bead for a head.  Some of these beads, especially the larger tungsten beads, are just as heavy, if not heavier, than some of the lightest jigs out there, say a 1/100th or 1/80th jig.

I know that earlier this Spring, I was tying some custom Crappie jigs.  Some of them were basically a Silent Stinger, but on a 1/80th jighead.  One of these days, I've got to fish those!  Heck, I may want to tie up some Silent Stingers, completely unweighted, and throw them out with my fly rod.  I've got at least one area still that sunnies are active in.

Comment by Tony Livingston on October 20, 2013 at 9:31am

Tooty, outside of very thin line and a micro float, I don't have the answer for you on those quick strikes...being an ice fisherman, I have witnessed that very same behaviour myself, hundreds of times....it's maddening for the angler.

David, I for one, do not believe in the concept of "the" bait, or jig.  I do believe however, in the idea of a "common attractant"...or the notion of a feature that will generally cause a BG to investigate a bait further. Sure, there are times and conditions when nothing seems to work, but speaking in general terms, I think it's possible.

Here's what I'm thinking: when an angler chooses to fish a jig, or bug, underneath a float, it seems to me that they have negated many of the features designed into the lure to enable it to hopefully catch fish. Mainly, that would be movement. Yes, the wind and wave action can drift your float, and your bait, and give it some action...and it can be deadly that way. But in many cases it appears to me that jigs and bugs are made and designed to be fished "on the go"..why else would they have legs, tails, and fine filament construction, if not to mimic something moving through, or on, the water?

But when it's hanging relatively motionless beneath the float, they still catch fish....why? To me, there's one commonality that links everything together, irregardless of design intent, or construction.......color.

I believe the attractant in a jig, or bug, WHEN FISHED BENEATH A FLOAT, is primarily color. I think that's what draws the fish in for a closer look.

Now when you're fishing with a fly rod, or casting and retrieving, or simply moving the jig along the bottom, i think movement may be a big part of the trigger.

Comment by DAVID L EITUTIS on October 20, 2013 at 8:06am

Hey Tony forgot to answer one of your questions last night. Nope the lure sometimes sit's motionless under the float once it sinks all the way and the gills still hit it . NOt all the time but sometimes. Don't know the reasoning in the gills mind , just the luck of the draw. One last thought......
  Say a bluegill weighs a pound and is trying to pick up a jig that weighs 1/32 of an ounce or a bait that is virtually weightless. Which is more natural. My baits do have one short coming that I can't solve . When fished with out a spit shot I"ve seen em in really clear water inhale and then reject em in Milliseconds . The bobber doesn't move in the slightest so lots of strikes are undetected. .............

Comment by David, aka, "McScruff" on October 20, 2013 at 8:01am

Human nature, Jeff. We all want that magic bullet.
You don't know I how badly I wanted curly tailed soft grubs to be
the "secret" bluegill bait...never happened.
Maybe you and Jim can spend a little time, under the same conditions, fishing tipped and untipped jigs....

Comment by Jeffrey D. Abney on October 20, 2013 at 6:55am

Good eye Tony but I always fish a fixed float around here because our water is generally shallow.....I liked this particular float design but I fished it fixed at two feet on this day.....silent stingers can fall slow unless tuned with split shot to get them down.......I catch more fish at the desired depth normally....other than the spawn which is a bad time to determine what works best in my opinion. I haven't added much to the discussion up to now because I always tip with something....I may change the size of the protein based on water temperature but I add a tidbit.....All good questions for sure....I can say that my intentions with the legged version is to fish it with no additional weight to keep it near the surface longer and prolong the fall......We'll see but just because I like the way it looks doesn't mean the fish will....I've paid that price over and over throughout a fishing life....I always laugh at the the advertisement of the "latest and greatest bait".....

Comment by Tony Livingston on October 20, 2013 at 6:39am

Looking at the photo Jeffey posted on this thread, I see a  pink stinger, and what appears to be a slip float. Jeff, what depth are you fishing at here, and do the takes happen only on the fall, before depth is reached, or does the float settle into position?

if they happen on the fall, what role does the float play, and if they happen at depth, doesn't that mean that the stinger is hanging in a more or less vertical position, rather than the horizontal orientation where having legs would appear more natural? And how does the addition of live bait affect the presentation/fall?

Perhaps this explains the lack of fish on this jig....at depth, it would assume the shape of a vertical "X" when hanging beneath a float...which does appear to me to be an unusual position for an insect to be in. Whereas the unlegged? version would present just a blob of color as an attractant, with protein being the main course?

Comment by DAVID L EITUTIS on October 19, 2013 at 9:05pm

NOPE TONY THE DIFFERENCE ISN'T LOST CAUSE SOME TIMES I FISH EM TIGHT LINE ON THE BOTTOM WITHOUT MOVEMENT AT ALL ......... ALSO IF YOU DO THE BARNEY SHUFFLE WITH EM THEY BECOME VERY LIVELY BUDDY...........

Comment by Tony Livingston on October 19, 2013 at 8:57pm

Okay, one more thought then I'm off to bed.....if the sink rate (weight) is the primary difference, and Jeffrey fishes your bugs under a float, which it seems he does a lot of the time, then is the difference between your silent stinger and a jig lost, once the stinger reaches depth without a fish hitting it?

In other words, a fish needs to hit a stinger on the way down, before it reaches the depth set by Jeffrey's float, or it becomes a jig at the end of his line, and the advantage of your bug is lost?

Complicated.....off to bed....

 

 

Comment by DAVID L EITUTIS on October 19, 2013 at 8:50pm

Yup on the sink rate and I have to qualify that also . The silents in marabou are different than Jeffrey's cause I use different materials also , NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNO TIPPING......

Comment by DAVID L EITUTIS on October 19, 2013 at 8:47pm

ALMOST FORGOT TONY , that's why Sir Jeffrey named em Silents cause they enter the water silently from a telescpoing rod or spinning rod.......Thought you knew they weren't jigs..........

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