E6000 glue, 2015 update

[Leo Nguyen]

Okay folks, since I have nothing in the fishing arena to share (well..that's not true), I'll share with you what I've found.

Now, Carl introduced me to this glue last year. Did plenty of test on it. However, a reformulation just go released for E6000 glue. This time around, rather than "Do not expose to high heat source", now, you can literally toss it into the washer and dryer.

Fix wife's various clothing types (yep..no duct tape). So far, it has been 4 months of washing and drying. No problem yet. No fray, crack, break, or even loss of glue after a full 5 days of curing (just in case). Fixed our snowboarding overall clothing. Same deal.

Now, for the heavy impact stuff. Got back into archery for hunting. Took a few carbon shaft arrows, and used various glue types. Each arrow has 3 polyvinyl fletch vanes (Blazer). This is not about archery's component test. Rather, it's about the glue. Primary glues:

Cheap $0.99 acrylic cyanoacrylate (gel)

Some Chinese knock-off acrylic cyanoacrylate (gel)

Some off-brand acrylic cyanoacrylate made in Mexico (gel)

Krazy glue

Super Glue

Loctite acrylic cyanoacrylate (gel)

Gorilla's acrylic cyanoacrylate (gel), 2014 reformulated

E6000, 2014 reformulated

Arrow's combo:

$0.99 glue - Chinese's glue - Mexico's glue

Krazy glue - Super Glue - Loctite glue

E600 glue - Gorilla's glue - Loctite glue

E600 glue - E600 glue - E600 glue

Gorilla's glue - Gorilla's glue - Gorilla's glue

Loctite glue - Loctite glue - Loctite glue

* Yep..not having enough confident in the cheapo glues. Not bothering to fletch too many arrows with the cheapo glues.

All arrows were fletched the same day, with proper front and back of vane sealing. Total cure time was 3 days. Fletched with Bitzenburger Dial-o-Fletch, extreme right helical (adding as much spin as possible for centrifugal test during mid flight)

Impact test, at 30-ft, for maximum impact force:

Arrows were allowed to pass through a 11 layers modified target block (2 layers of carpet, 4 layers of thick cardboard, 4 layers of linoleum, and 1/4-in chicken fencing) to represent all the possible rough element of hunting. The chicken fencing is the roughest part of the test, since the vane (also being under test) will be ripped, stripped, and stress-test. Vanes' results during test

1st firing test:

Cheap $0.99 acrylic cyanoacrylate (gel): peeled off at 1st layer.

Some Chinese knock-off acrylic cyanoacrylate (gel): peeled off at 1st layer

Some off-brand acrylic cyanoacrylate made in Mexico (gel): : peeled off at 1st layer

4th firing test:

Krazy Glue: peeled right off at 1st layer.

Super Glue: peel right off at 2nd layer.

16th firing test:

Gorilla's acrylic cyanoacrylate (gel): Pretty darn strong. Still on.

Loctite acrylic cyanoacrylate (gel): Finally came off at the chicken wire fencing.

E600: Pretty darn strong. Still on.

40th and final firing test (my bow arm gotten pretty spent, shaking like a leaf):

Arrows broke after the Muzzy 3X broadheads pierced the testing block, going through 3 layers of hay bails, and 1/2 wood fencing. Result, vanes still in tack, and fully glued onto the broken shafts.

Lesson learned:

Reformulated Gorilla gel glue and E6000 will be my only glue in the household. Giving the rest of my useless glues away.

[jim cosgrove]

if you whip finish probably not andy-but it really sucks if the fly unravels when your fishing.a very small drop of glue or nail polish only takes a second.

[jim cosgrove]

that reminds me i am going to learn to whip finish by hand and weave bodies.

[dick tabbert]

Jim I have weaved a couple things. I like to weave when you need a wide slender body it come into it's own.

[jim cosgrove]

there was a polish lady that used to crochet bodies on the flies.the fly shop near me now closed sadly used to buy her stuff by the hundreds.they were works of art.i just never took the time to learn and i have LOTS of books.maybe make something like tooty's bugs only woven 2 tone.

[Andy is OptiMystic]

I have seen someone whip finish (sort of; not convinced it was same knot) by hand. He did it sort of backwards so the tag was by the eye.

[jim cosgrove]

i have a couple vids saved that are pretty clear.i kind of had it down once.i am terribly dyslexic so watching doesn't always help me.i used to use the tool but 3or 4 half hitches is fine to hold em til i get glue on it

[jim cosgrove]

there is an awesome tyer on another site that uses a water based glue/coating that he swears by and sells for 8 dollars a pint at craft stores.i don't like dealing with drying wheels and all that.i think i can get the UV cure stuff i am using in 8oz bottles for 25 bucks.got to see how the flies hold up first.i had some water based polyurethane but it turned cloudy when wet.

[carl hendrix]

had no idea Leo;; you shot a bow and arrow!!    that E-6000 glue has replaced all the glues in my house to!!  it gives you time;; to align the project up correctly;; let it sit for a bit;; set it aside till cured.  it wont come off then!!  I also use it to glue the eyes onto jigs and stuff. ((((  here's a hint guys--  use round toothpicks with it!!  just gently squeeze a small bit to the tip;; wipe with tooth pick  apply to your project.))  its a lot neater;   

[Leo Nguyen]

Yep. Wife wants to hunt for fresh meats, and try to break ourselves away from the traditional overcrowded farmlands processed meat. We've been craving venison and fresh ducks. I'm more into upland games, which I've been raised up on, and hunted in the past.

This is mine. PSE X-Force Drive, passed down to me by a client I know as his spare bow, upgraded like crazy.

This is ours hunting combo, which we're practicing to get tighter grouping from 30yds to 50yds out. Hers is a Diamond Infinite Edge, stock.

It has been way too long. Used to hunt with recurves. Wife can't handle the full drawn weight, while holding the full drawn for more than 10 seconds. This is why I rely on the compound bow to assist her with a let-off at 75% at full drawn, providing her a higher accuracy edge with proper aiming. But, like the bamboo rod, I do miss my old recurve days.

[Andy is OptiMystic]

This thread continues to be all about Y Guides memories for me.

That one's a brooding teenager much of the time now, but will still go fishing with me sometimes...

[Leo Nguyen]

LOL! Teenager..always issues. We were there.

[Andy is OptiMystic]

All 4 of my kids are teenagers this year; one in college, 3 in high school. My hair isn't quite that dark anymore...