You the man! I love your replies.
I think scent works short distance, but the sight has to be there to get their motors running. It might also mask human odor.
Ya, that maggot mouth story is the most sick! They would be burrowing into his throat! EW!
Here is the great thing the ground bait will do. As the butterbeans pick at the ground bait (tiny gills) they will fill up. They don't need much to fill them up. With them full, it leaves the curious bigger fish to move in on your bait.
Think of the crowd of fish as a good thing. A crowd or movement of fish towards something, gets other fish moving, gets the interest up.
In the same way some bluelight special or sale table attracts 4 people, the 5th person has to see and the 7th person wants to see what is going on at that table.
When I feed ground bait pinches I feed them in one or two exact spots. If you are in a boat, you need to double anchor so the boat doesn't swing. You need to know the two spots by items on shore. Mark a tree and then 15 feet away (in line with your tree), that is your feeding spot.
Keep the feed going into the one spot every few minutes a cherry tomato-sized ball (loose-packed) should go in and burst on your spot. If you have a second spot- make that 10 feet away or 20 feet away from spot #1. I find it easiest for new anglers to fish only one spot.
Try to keep the feed in a tight circle. Your circle in the water you hit should be 1 foot wide. 6" wide is better and 3" circle you are a pro. The tighter you keep that circle and the more accurate you are, the more action and competition you are going to create. (( Competition)). The Competition take is one of the most aggressive takes in all of fishing. If you get two fish swimming or racing to the falling bait- if you get two fish swimming head on together at a bait- you have manufactured the competition for your bait.
Ground bait puts multiple fish in the same area and forces them to act faster than they would normally. Because one will move in on the bait, the other fish will also move and the game changes.
By feeding on your spot, you draw fish into a tight circle and increase the speed of action beneath the water. You change the triggers to GO in these fish. Not only will the fish sip in your bait, they will do it much more aggressively using a power sip (full gills). They will also tend to inhale and then turn away from their competition with the food in their mouth. In normal conditions, they might swim up and check out your offering. They might spot the line, they might look at the rotation or jigging action and NOT be triggered to feed. By feeding, you take away their opportunity to spot things that are wrong with your presentation.
With the fish acting stupid & working fast, groundbait creates the bluelight special, it creates panic eating. When fish swim up on a hatch or big band of food in the water, they feed fast and a crowd gathers. Try some groundbait and get the water boiling and you will find the big boys come in to feed and let their guard down later in the fishing.
When I was a little boy, I fished in a tiny stream behind my house. Small willow limb for a pole and a tiny doughball made from light bread on the point of the hook. I invented (and forgot about) "tipping" long before I ever heard of it. The water was about a foot deep in my 'honey hole" and crystal clear. You could see all the bream, catfish and hornyheads just swimmin' around down there. The biggest bream was half a hand. He was also first hog to the trough. If he saw the doughboy about the same time the smaller ones did, he got it. He never was shy or scared of gettin' caught......again! I guess I invented catch and release too! A LONG time ago. What I learned from this early experience is that only one hog can be first to the trough. If it's a one hog trough, little pigs go hungry. Sometimes I would catch him and release him upstream aways. Before he got back, the little pigs ate by the dozens. What I learned from this was if you're catchin' little ones, it's because the big one ain't there. I did catch me a lot of little ones, but I always liked it best when the big boy was back in town. I eventually outgrew my childhood "Honey Hole". I even got to where catchin' tons of tiny ones lost it's appeal. I don't know if I'm fishin' better, or I just fish better holes. I caught almost no butterbeans last year. Hope I do as well this year. Except for the times I got skunked. Even butterbeans is better than that.
Ok I guess the would work like taking some roadkill and putting it on a limb above the water so that when the maggots "free range wax worms"fall into the water it would draw the bream by sight and smell ,and start a frenze and this should work as long as the the "wax worms " keep falling, and the best time to catch them would be morning and right before dark , I wonder if that is why they call them "SUNFISH"
OK, I've already learned this. Spikes is maggots, Waxies is moth larvae coated in beeswax. Now what is "free range"? Is it about fencein' off the ranges out west so the buffalo can't roam? Naw, this is a fish site. I bet it's about hemmin' 'em up and force feedin' 'em so rich folks can catch the world record versus the rest of us catchin' the unadulterated ones. I'd rather be rich! I guess a free range maggot didn't come out of a box did it? And hangin road kill on a limb. Won't that draw flies?
Hollywood and tv do this all the time. I watch a show like Survivor and they call waxworms (maggots). Maggots can be a common term for any grub, but fishermen - they are two different things. Waxworm=wax, beehive. Maggots = carcass, meat. Maggots are tiny, tough, rubbery skin. Waxworms are soft and puffy like caterpillars. Also waxworms float - maggots sink.
He was meaning free range as in they are out in the open and the joke was for the rich yes.
You have the right idea though. If there were a bird, or squirrel carcass in a tree, maggots would fall out of it after a couple of days. They would fall into the water and draw a crowd.
I like the observation about the pig first to the trough too I think you are right on. My closest fishing, because I don't like spending money on gas and time in the car, has so many little ones, it usually takes a long time to land a good-sized fish.
I think by pure numbers, it takes me a long time to get the big ones in, not because they are sitting and waiting. You are right, aint no large ones to be had there. True that. My option is to drive for an hour each way go to better fishing.
John
I don't think His Lordship is joking about free range, or what it means to him. He didn't specify it about gills here, but he has elswhere and elsewhen. I think he is against hemmin' 'em up and feedin' em. That's what I think he thinks but he may not think at all. Sometimes I think he shoots without even thinkin'! I just hope he ain't thinkin' about me. Anyway, I'm tired of thinkin' about him.
Now maggots is tough and waxies is soft. Maggots sink and waxies float. Maggots stink in your mouth and waxies?????? What do waxies smell like? 'Cause I done ruled out maggots on the odor issue.
Are you just lazy or cheap or both. What kind of fisherman ain't willing to drive for an hour and be on the water at sun up? No wonder you settle for thousands of little ones instead of 20 or so arm strainers. You are on BIGbluegill.com John. We are way more into the big ones, even if we do sometimes force feed 'em to get 'em that way. Well......I don't. All mine eat voluntarily and seem glad to get it. Well......they ain't actually mine either. They're them free ranger ones. Ain't got no brand on 'em like Bar RM or some such. Folks like me and His Lordship have to poach the branded ones.
Anyway, the more you talk, the more I learn. Like, FORGET MAGGOTS, no matter what their "stinkin" nickname is. I still ain't decided on the ground up bait thing, I might try that when you get me a source. Keep the info coming and spread your horizons out a little. There's BIG gills out there. Go get you some. And it don't cost nothin' to pay attention! It's first HOG to the trough. The little pigs wait till he gets all he wants.
John, you say so much at one time, I missed something. Let me see if I understand. I have got to fill up all the little ones with the ground up bait BEFORE I get to the big boys? How much does this cost at a cherry bomb size per serving? And I got to put it in a 3" circle @ 15 ft to be good at it? And repeat how often. This makes a bluelight special feeding frenzy in a tight column of water?
I can't get this column to add up like I want it to. I may follow His Lordship's lead and throw me a dead armadillo over a limb. I'd have to tie him up there some way, a sack wouldn't do. The "spikes" would be sacked! Now how do you tie up a run over armadillo? A clove hitch would probably do. Then a running bowline to the limb. I still think it'll draw flies and I ain't been bothered by them or gnats since droopey pants came in style. All this is just too complicated. I'll just keep scullin' around till I find me a mess of nice 'uns with just a few crickets.
This is similar but less expensive now. The method I describe is very controlled and puts the fish in a tiny spot. The dog chow needs to disintegrate where the groundbait is hitting the water and breaking apart to create visual attraction.
I am not sure your locals would appreciate the dead stuff hanging from the trees. You can make your own bluefly larvae but it is a stinky mess. I buy them in bulk and I don't have to change clothes and shower like I would when raising my own. The stench literally sticks to you.
I agree in the thinking that water either has big ones or it doesn't so if you fish the groundbait, and you don't catch the big ones, then you need to switch water. 3" circle would be great and 15 foot is a great distance as this distance is an easier throw, just far enough away not to spook the fish by your presence. I suggest if you are not accurate, it is best to fish 10' very well than to fish 15' in a sloppy way. When you start feeding pitch in 5 - 10 of these balls to set the table over the course of 2 - 3 minutes. Space it out - no hurry!
Trust me guys, i don't want you out on the highway or getting your clothes so full of stench you can't fish and tying dead stuff in the trees. This will work just the same.
As for cost it will be cheap at $6 for 2.5 lb. of mix. A bag of mix will last you 2 or 3 times out fishing and will double your catch if you do it poorly. If you are good at it, your numbers will be more like 5 - 10 times your normal catch.
If you get with your local bait store and a few other gill anglers, you can get the bait store to order in spikes in bulk for you. They should be able to get you 1,000 spikes for $8 once you get this going. Maybe you have them order every month. The key will be getting your buddies or a bluegill club to order from the same store consistently. The reward will be worth the effort!
While you can try to raise your own, I find they are too small, too smelly and too much work. When you start catching fish like you should be, having a little dixie cup of 25 spikes won't cut it when you use this method and some groundbait.