Hey Clifford, Welcome. All of my family was born and raised in Norfolk. Still have 2 cousins there. One of them is the owner/publisher of the "Downtowner" newspaper and the other is retired after working with the city engineering department for many years. Where in the Norfolk area do you fish for gills? As close to salt water as you are, I never imagined anyone fishing for panfish. That's great! Again, welcome and let us hear from you. Nick.