Underwater wigglers comparison - Bluegill - Big Bluegill2024-03-29T10:55:12Zhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/forum/topics/underwater-wigglers-comparison?commentId=2036984%3AComment%3A237720&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI'm calling it LLL no matter…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-02-01:2036984:Comment:2378142012-02-01T00:19:57.269ZJBplusThuyhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/JonathanByrne
<p>I'm calling it LLL no matter what :-)</p>
<p>I'm calling it LLL no matter what :-)</p> Oh man, that title got me bal…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-02-01:2036984:Comment:2378082012-02-01T00:01:24.320ZLeo Nguyenhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/LeoNguyen
<p>Oh man, that title got me balling and tear-filled eyes on the floor. I'll just stick with the BBG's Pot Sticker? BBG's Baits Bubblegum? I'll leave the site's members to decide on the catchy name.</p>
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<p>No side business here..more like a experimentation hobby in full motion. Just more chance for me to do additional experiments for different temperatures, conditions, and resin's purity.</p>
<p>Oh man, that title got me balling and tear-filled eyes on the floor. I'll just stick with the BBG's Pot Sticker? BBG's Baits Bubblegum? I'll leave the site's members to decide on the catchy name.</p>
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<p>No side business here..more like a experimentation hobby in full motion. Just more chance for me to do additional experiments for different temperatures, conditions, and resin's purity.</p> I think I see a side business…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-01-31:2036984:Comment:2378042012-01-31T23:50:18.655ZJBplusThuyhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/JonathanByrne
<p>I think I see a side business forming here :-) If you're looking for a name for the stuff, might I suggest Leo's Lunker Loogie?</p>
<p>If that's too disgusting (or insufficiently disgusting lol) I can think of more :-)</p>
<p>I think I see a side business forming here :-) If you're looking for a name for the stuff, might I suggest Leo's Lunker Loogie?</p>
<p>If that's too disgusting (or insufficiently disgusting lol) I can think of more :-)</p> If you like, I can send you t…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-01-31:2036984:Comment:2376462012-01-31T22:22:18.002ZLeo Nguyenhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/LeoNguyen
<p>If you like, I can send you the resin sample. I don't have any more smaller 1/8oz jam jars that I saved up over the years, but I'll look for a way to package the resin materials in smaller plastic containers at the 99 cents stores. Looks like I have to purchase a bucket load of resin later as members want to try out the resin.</p>
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<p>Donation for raw materials from interested members will always be appreciated :-) I'll be glad to make the resin for anyone who requests it, as little,…</p>
<p>If you like, I can send you the resin sample. I don't have any more smaller 1/8oz jam jars that I saved up over the years, but I'll look for a way to package the resin materials in smaller plastic containers at the 99 cents stores. Looks like I have to purchase a bucket load of resin later as members want to try out the resin.</p>
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<p>Donation for raw materials from interested members will always be appreciated :-) I'll be glad to make the resin for anyone who requests it, as little, or as much as he/she needs. Just need the raw resin, the containers (glass bottle that can be heated with is best), and of course, shipping cost. I know I made a BBG account for this site's cool usage, but man, I think I'll be way over budget *LOL*</p> B = Brian :)
Don't think I'll…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-01-31:2036984:Comment:2377202012-01-31T22:12:15.827ZB. Waldmanhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/BWaldman
<p>B = Brian :)</p>
<p>Don't think I'll carry this test out further due to practicality, that is, I'd never fish more than 35 minutes using the same caterpillar :) Time for a fresh one long before that - haha.</p>
<p>Do have another test in mind though once weather breaks. Had a colleague who swore to me that bluegill definitely had a preference for certain species of larvae. Would flat devour one and completely avoid another. I have several at my disposal and would like to have this "myth"…</p>
<p>B = Brian :)</p>
<p>Don't think I'll carry this test out further due to practicality, that is, I'd never fish more than 35 minutes using the same caterpillar :) Time for a fresh one long before that - haha.</p>
<p>Do have another test in mind though once weather breaks. Had a colleague who swore to me that bluegill definitely had a preference for certain species of larvae. Would flat devour one and completely avoid another. I have several at my disposal and would like to have this "myth" proven or busted...</p>
<p>Also would like to know if caterpillars could survive the G-forces of a fly rod cast? Since it seems like they will provide constant movement on waters surface if not submerged (survival mode not triggered), would be cool to use the resin glue and attach them to a small dry fly or similar and use as a natural surface presentation - no retrieve necessary, just natural struggle.</p> I know how you feel Waldman (…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-01-31:2036984:Comment:2376402012-01-31T21:31:15.163ZLeo Nguyenhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/LeoNguyen
<p>I know how you feel Waldman (what is your B stands for?). I can't simply walk away from something until the definite info can present itself. My experiment for the maggot is still going. They're still swimming! Although, I can see they're shrinking in size. Not as round and fat that they once were. If they don't drown in the next 2 days, I'll let them out and have them transform into flies after a nice feed on the compost.</p>
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<p>Wow. They actually slow down their respiratory rate…</p>
<p>I know how you feel Waldman (what is your B stands for?). I can't simply walk away from something until the definite info can present itself. My experiment for the maggot is still going. They're still swimming! Although, I can see they're shrinking in size. Not as round and fat that they once were. If they don't drown in the next 2 days, I'll let them out and have them transform into flies after a nice feed on the compost.</p>
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<p>Wow. They actually slow down their respiratory rate in case of emergency situation that well? Extremely efficient system they got there. We definitely know that these buggers will be the best bait to use all year round in your neck of the waters, when they're not touched by the fish. Simply allows them to revive after dunking them into the water, and you'll have resuscitated live baits all day long.</p> OK - a quick follow-up. It bu…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-01-31:2036984:Comment:2377902012-01-31T21:19:03.705ZB. Waldmanhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/BWaldman
<p>OK - a quick follow-up. It bugged me that I didn't hit an endpoint (mortality) in my series of tests above, so it was back to the lab bench today. Same beet armyworm larvae, same water/setup - even the same 'universal caterpillar activity constant' - 30 seconds or so and that's all the activity you'll get out of these guys.</p>
<p>This time I extended submerged time starting at 15 minutes and going in 5 minute increments. Used 5 more larvae (the 6th wouldn't submerge), and so started with…</p>
<p>OK - a quick follow-up. It bugged me that I didn't hit an endpoint (mortality) in my series of tests above, so it was back to the lab bench today. Same beet armyworm larvae, same water/setup - even the same 'universal caterpillar activity constant' - 30 seconds or so and that's all the activity you'll get out of these guys.</p>
<p>This time I extended submerged time starting at 15 minutes and going in 5 minute increments. Used 5 more larvae (the 6th wouldn't submerge), and so started with 15, 20, 25, 30 and 35 minute submerged larvae. Thought this might finally get me an endpoint - not so!</p>
<p>Like yesterday, 15 minute larvae recovered at the 29 min mark. 20 minute larvae recovered at the 35 m mark. 25 min larvae recovered in a little over 40 minutes. 30 minute larvae was up and moving at the 51 m mark, and the 35 minute larvae recovered at the 55 min. point. Apparently you can't kill a caterpillar :) So disappointed...</p> Oh freaking awesome findings!…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-01-31:2036984:Comment:2374582012-01-31T02:45:17.899ZLeo Nguyenhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/LeoNguyen
Oh freaking awesome findings! Just stupendous!
Oh freaking awesome findings! Just stupendous! OK - I have a few specifics I…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-01-31:2036984:Comment:2375172012-01-31T02:28:11.867ZB. Waldmanhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/BWaldman
<p>OK - I have a few specifics I can now add to the discussion. Working off of Leo's original "green caterpillar" data, I tested a set of beet armyworm larvae (<em>Spodoptera</em>) in deionized water at room temp. I utilized a set of 5 larvae, each approx 70 mg. and approaching 3/4-inch long. Larvae were submerged and then timed. I started pulling the first larvae out of the water at the 8 minute mark, then in 2 minute increments after that. As such, I got data points for the 8, 10, 12, 14 and…</p>
<p>OK - I have a few specifics I can now add to the discussion. Working off of Leo's original "green caterpillar" data, I tested a set of beet armyworm larvae (<em>Spodoptera</em>) in deionized water at room temp. I utilized a set of 5 larvae, each approx 70 mg. and approaching 3/4-inch long. Larvae were submerged and then timed. I started pulling the first larvae out of the water at the 8 minute mark, then in 2 minute increments after that. As such, I got data points for the 8, 10, 12, 14 and 16 minute time periods.</p>
<p>First observation was that all larvae struggled like crazy when initially dropped into the water, but all such activity ceased within 30-40 seconds. After that, larvae appeared to go into a state of suspended animation, with only the occasional involuntary flex. I repeated this first step a second time on a different day, and again, excessive movement for only the first 40 seconds, then near paralysis. Wouldn't look too good on a hook, IMO - LOL. Hope you get bit in the first 30 seconds...</p>
<p>Back to the data. After pulling each larvae out and setting them onto a paper towel in a designated and labeled spot, I observed for recovery or mortality. Interestingly, none of the larvae actually perished in this experiment, even after 16 minutes of submersion. Also interesting, recovery time was very consistent at about 2.1 - 2.2X submerged time. In other words, the larvae submerged for 8 minutes required about 18 minutes to fully recover and crawl off, while the larvae submerged for 16 minutes recovered and crawled off at about the 39 minute mark. No movement whatsoever until about 2-3 minutes before respective recovery timepoint.</p>
<p>Next test involved a similar setup, but with cabbage looper (<em>Trichoplusia</em>). Based on the above beet armyworm results, time intervals were 12.5, 15, 17.5 and 20 minutes of submersion. Again, removal and recovery/observation on paper towel afterward, and again, no mortality as all caterpillars recovered in about 2X the submersed time.</p>
<p>Another thing of note: cabbage looper have a high fat content, and so some of them originally floated on the waters surface until held down for a few seconds. When on the surface, activity was great as their must be some mechanism that keeps them struggling thinking they might escape their situation. All that sank immediately exhibited the near paralysis phenomena at about the 30-40 second time interval, something which I have now coined the "universal catepillar activity constant (UCAC)". :-)</p>
<p>Lastly, caterpillars breathe through "spiracles" or tiny openings on the sides of their bodies. After a period of submersion, air bubbles frequently formed at the openings, and when doing so, actually made the caterpillar semi-buoyant, frequently rising partially off the bottom of the glass flask. </p> Molasses! LOL crude and back…tag:bigbluegill.ning.com,2012-01-27:2036984:Comment:2366272012-01-27T19:06:50.614ZLeo Nguyenhttp://bigbluegill.ning.com/profile/LeoNguyen
Molasses! LOL crude and back to the natural. That is freaking awesome. Love that stuff. So many thing you can do with them. By the way, molasses also contain natural chemical compounds that combat cancers, especially prostate.
Molasses! LOL crude and back to the natural. That is freaking awesome. Love that stuff. So many thing you can do with them. By the way, molasses also contain natural chemical compounds that combat cancers, especially prostate.